Sunday, September 6, 2009

James White in the "Living Voice"

Geoff quoted Russell Holt:
"(U)ntil his death at the age of 60, James White opposed the trinity"

I see no reason to disagree. But I do have a question... How strongly did he oppose the trinity doctrine?

We will look first at James' anti-trinitarian comments:

The booklet "The Living Voice of the Lord's Witnesses" contains thirteen anti-trinitarian quotes from James White's writings. I have numbered them and added my comments:

1.
As fundamental errors, we might class with this counterfeit sabbath other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such as sprinkling for baptism, the trinity, the consciousness of the dead and eternal life in misery. The mass who have held these fundamental errors, have doubtless done it ignorantly; but can it be supposed that the church of Christ will carry along with her these errors till the judgment scenes burst upon the world? We think not. "Here are they [in the period of a message given just before the Son of man takes his place upon the white cloud, Rev.xiv,14] that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." This class, who live just prior to the second advent, will not be keeping the traditions of men, neither will they be holding fundamental errors relative to the plan of salvation through Jesus Christ. And as the true light shines out upon these subjects, and is rejected by the mass, then condemnation will come upon them. ... Solemn dreadful, swiftly-approaching hour!" {J. S. White,
Review & Herald, September 12, 1854}

The trinity is listed as a Catholic error, and I agree, the Catholic trinity doctrine is quite different to the Godhead I believe in, so it is an error.

2.
"The Father and the Son were one in man's creation, and in his redemption. Said  the Father to the Son, "Let us make man in our image." And the triumphant song in which the redeemed take part, is unto "Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb, forever and ever."" {J. S. White, The Law and the Gospel, p. 1. 1870}


Mildly anti-trinitarian there is no mention of the Spirit. It does indicate that the Father and Son "were one in man's creation, and in his redemption". This is my understanding of "oneness" too. They are one in purpose, not being.

3.
"Paul affirms of the Son of God that he was in the form of God, and that he was equal with God. 'Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God.' Phil. 2:6. The reason why it is not robbery for the Son to be equal with the Father is the fact that he is equal... The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, "Let us make man in our image"?" {J. S. White, Review & Herald, November 29, 1877}

Good on you James, the "three in one and one in three" formulation is neither Biblical or explicable. He also indicates that "Trinity" is not the worst of errors. This is hardly backing for the belief that the trinity doctrine is "the Omega of apostacy", as present-day anti-trinitarians claim.

4.
"Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the "three-one God." They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption. The redeemed, from the first who shares in the great redemption, to the last, all ascribe the honor, and glory, and praise, of their salvation, to both God and the Lamb." {J. S. White, Life incidents, p. 343. 1868}

Once again James is spot-on. The "three-one God" is a fallacy. I am honestly glad for these sort of quotes because they clear up just what is the error to avoid. The oneness of God is not about form or being but to do with oneness of purpose, or "design and accomplishment". Once again I totally agree with what he says.

5.
"The gospel of the Son of God is the good news of salvation through Christ. When man fell, angels wept. Heaven was bathed in tears. The Father and the Son took counsel, and Jesus offered to undertake the cause of fallen man. He offered to die that man might have life. The Father consented to give his only beloved, and the good news resounded through heaven, and on earth, that a way was opened for man's redemption."{J. S. White, The Law and the Gospel, pp. 2, 3. 1870}

This is mildly anti-trinitarian. Is it the fact that Jesus is the Father's "only beloved" or the fact that the Spirit is not mentioned? In any case I believe as James does here because he is Biblical. His understanding of what "only beloved" means is probably different to mine, but I can't be sure as he doesn't elaborate.

6.
""Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for THE faith which was once delivered unto the saints..." (Jude 3, 4) ...The exhortation to contend for the faith delivered to the saints, is to us alone. And it is very important for us to know what for and how to contend. In the 4th verse he gives us the reason why we should contend for THE faith, a particular faith; "for there are certain men," or a certain class who deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. ... The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God." {J. S. White, The Day Star, January 24, 1846}

Probably the most widely quoted of all James White's writing on the trinity:
He certainly opposed the trinity but the main thrust of the article is probably against the spiritualisers doing away with the personality of the Father and Son. In this I am on James' side, even though I disagree with what he says about Jesus not being the eternal God. I couldn't find the complete article on the web and would very much like to have it. And I repeat, I do not believe the Catholic creed on the Trinity because it is unscriptural blasphemy.

7.
"The Father is the greatest in that he is first. The Son is next in authority because He has been given all things." {J. S. White, Review & Herald, January 4, 1881}

I think the reason it is seen as anti-trinitarian is that it makes the Father first. From a previous quote we know that James believes Father and Son are equal so he is probably not talking about rank here but that the Father was here "first". However the next sentence has "The Son is next in authority" which may show that he is actually talking "ranking". We need more context to work that out. Either way it is a fairly weak anti-trinitarian stance

8.
"We are told by those who teach the abolition of the Father's law, that the commandments of God mentioned in the New Testament, are not the ten, but the requirements of the gospel, such as repentance, faith, baptism and the Lord's supper. But as these, and every other requirement peculiar to the gospel, are all embraced in the faith of Jesus, it is evident that the commandments of God are not the sayings of Christ and his apostles. To assert that the sayings of the Son and his apostles are the commandments of the Father, is as wide from the truth as the old trinitarian absurdity that Jesus Christ is the very and Eternal God. And as the faith of Jesus embraces every requirement peculiar to the gospel, it necessarily follows that the commandments of God, mentioned by the third angel, embrace only the ten precepts of the Father's immutable law which are not peculiar to any one dispensation, but common to all." {J. S. White, Review & Herald, August 5, 1852}

This article is obviously on the topic of the law, trinity only appears as a comparison. While agreeing on the thrust of the quote, I must disagree and say that I believe that Jesus Christ is the 'very and Eternal God'. But this raises a question, have we had any articles specifically correcting the doctrine of the trinity. I'm sure James wrote articles against the other Catholic errors on baptism and the state in death... are there any on the trinity? Why does his obvious dislike for the Catholic trinity doctrine never produce more than a passing mention?

9.
"Bro. Cottrell is nearly eighty years of age, remembers the dark day of 1780, and has been a Sabbath-keeper more than thirty years. He was formerly united with the Seventh-Day Baptists, but on some points of doctrine has differed from that body. He rejected the doctrine of the trinity, also the doctrine of man's consciousness between death and the resurrection, and the punishment of the wicked in eternal consciousness. He believed that the wicked would be destroyed. Bro. Cottrell buried his wife not long since, who, it is said, was one of the excellent of the earth. Not long since, this aged pilgrim received a letter from friends in Wisconsin, purporting to be from M. Cottrell, his wife, who sleeps in Jesus. But he, believing that the dead know not anything, was prepared to reject at once the heresy that the spirits of the dead, knowing everything, come back and converse with the living. Thus truth is a staff in his old age. He has three sons in Mill Grove, who, with their families are Sabbath-keepers." {J. S. White, Review & Herald, June 9, 1853}

Another weak anti-trinitarian quote. The emphasis of this article is not on the trinity... he is focussing on Cottrell's belief on the man's unconsciousness in death. Cottrell was obviously not a trinitarian, from this quote alone we don't know if James agreed with him or not. From other quotes we know he agreed of course. But still quite weak I think.

10.
"Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ, and of sprinkling or pouring instead of being "buried with Christ in baptism," "planted in the likeness of his death:" but we pass from these fables to notice one that is held sacred by nearly all professed Christians, both Catholic and Protestant. It is, The change of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment from the seventh to the first day of the week." {J. S. White, Review & Herald, December 11, 1855}

Thanks for this quote: we are really getting to the nub of the problem with the Catholic trinity doctrine: it "does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ". This is what James has against it and so am I. Once again James, I'm with you!

The problem for the present-day anti-trinitarians in this quote is that once again the trinity gets only a "mention" along with the "fables" of sprinkling and Sunday sacredness, both of which James wrote about at length. Not so with trinity, it only gets mentioned.

11.
                  "CATHOLIC REASONS FOR KEEPING SUNDAY.
1. Because "it is also called Sunday from the old Roman denomination of Dies Solis, the day of the sun, to which it was sacred." "Sunday was a name given by the heathens to the first day of the week, because it was the day on which they worshiped the sun."
2. Because it is "in honor of the blessed Virgin Mary."
3. Because "it is a day dedicated by the apostles to the honor of the most Holy Trinity."" {J. S. White, Review & Herald, April 4, 1854}

Once again the article is about another doctrine (Sabbath). This mention of the trinity is a non-Biblical reason given to support a non-Biblical doctrine. 

12.
"The "mystery of iniquity" began to work in the church in Paul's day. It finally crowded out the simplicity of the gospel, and corrupted the doctrine of Christ, and the church went into the wilderness. Martin Luther, and other reformers, arose in the strength of God, and with the Word and Spirit, made mighty strides in the Reformation. The greatest fault we can find in the Reformation is, the Reformers stopped reforming. Had they gone on, and onward, till they had left the last vestige of Papacy behind, such as natural immortality, sprinkling, the trinity, and Sunday-keeping, the church would now be free from her unscriptural errors." {J. S. White, Review & Herald, February 7, 1856}

Another mention in a list of "unscriptural errors". I wouldn't have listed it here myself, but I have the same objections to the Catholic trinity doctrine as James has (in other quotes) so in that sense it is unscriptural.

This quote simply shows that James was non-trinitarian.

13.
"The work of emancipating, instructing and leading the Hebrews was given to One who is called an angel. Ex.13:21; 14:19,24; 23:20-23; 32:34; Num.20:16; Isa.63:9. And this angel Paul calls "that spiritual Rock that followed them," and he affirms, "That Rock was Christ." 1Cor.10:4. The eternal Father is never called an angel in the Scriptures, while what angels have done is frequently ascribed to the Lord, as they are his messengers and agents to accomplish his work. It is said of Him who went before the Hebrews to deliver them, "My name is in him." In all the stupendous events of that deliverance the mind of Jehovah was represented in Jesus." {J. S. White, Christ and the Sabbath, p. 11}

This is an obtuse quote. It shows three of James beliefs (all of which I agree with him on) First the Father is never called an angel but Jesus is frequently called an angel in the Old Testament. Second Jesus is given credit for what angels do because they are His agents. Third Jesus represents the Father's mind (thinking) in the events of deliverance.

Once again there is no mention of the Holy Spirit.

So there are the thirteen, no articles, not even a full paragraph on the topic! Are these the best James White quotes available Geoff?

As a believer in a three Person Godhead, I can totally agree with five of the thirteen quotes. In a further five of the remaining eight quotes, the trinity is listed as one of the errors of Catholicism or other denominations. None of the five lists consider the trinity doctrine as the worst error. Three of them are clearly about the Sabbath.

In only three quotes do I actually disagree with him, 3, 6 and 8. Let's get this in perspective: I have problems with less than a quarter of James' anti-trinitarian statements! And there are very few of them.

So how strongly did James White oppose the trinity doctrine? Not very strongly because:

  1. He appears to have written no articles opposing the trinity. I would gladly publish even one (on the web) if you could get me one Geoff, or even one of the articles these quotes were from.
  2. He only makes thirteen statements over his writing career and many of them are mild and would be agreeable to the mainstream SDA church today. I would gladly look at some more if they exist.
  3. Even where he does mention the trinity, it is usually while he is either defending other doctrines or simply listing it along with other perceived errors.
  4. He explicitly says the trinity doctrine is not the worst error and that other Catholic doctrines are at least just as bad. The anti-trinitarians of today would probably take exception with at this.
  5. There seems to be no evidence that he taught new converts from Trinitarian churches to change their views.

8 comments:

geoff said...

There was no need for James White to make extensive comments re the Trinity as in his time, all our writers to a man, were anti-trinitarian. He died before the doctrine became an issue in the church through the efforts of Kellog.
Who incidently, received no support at all for his trinitarian push, from the prophet. Only many warnings that he had lost his way.
It is interesting that the only two leading figures to take up the doctrine of the trinity, Kellogg and Canwright, both ceased to be Seventh Day Adventists.

Bruce Thompson said...

There may have been no need within the church to comment, but what about outside the church? I was under the impression that most Christian denominations in the US were trinitarian during James White's lifetime. Why didn't he write articles in the Signs and tracts as an outreach?

In my copy of "Bible Adventism" James has whole chapters on our understanding of the Sanctuary, investigative judgement and the second advent. The quotes in "Living Voice" were on the Sabbath and the law.

Geoff why no articles on the trinity? (I believe the answer is because he was only a mild anti-trinitarian)

geoff said...

I am glad that you can accede that James White was at least, "mildly anti-trinitarian."

I have finally found confirmation as to why she never opposed his anti-trinitarian views, "And now he upon whose large affections I have leaned, with whom I have laboured,-
and we have been united in labour for thirty six years." Test. of Jesus
p. 158.

Bruce Thompson said...

James White was always opposed to the trinity in my view but nowhere near as vehemently as modern anti-trinitarians Geoff.

I don't quite get the quote Geoff... Can you please explain how this quote shows why she never opposed his anti-trinitarian views?

geoff said...

It is so simple, "and we have been united in labour for 36 years."
No church or Pastor I have worked with with my different understanding of the trinity has ever claimed that we worked in unity. They have done everything they could top shut me down becaused they believed we were not in unity. Now you are asking me to pretend that when the prophet says they worked in unity, they were not really united. She also said that James shed light from the presence of Jesus by his preaching and writing, and we all know what he wrote about the trinity.

geoff said...

There was no need for James White to be vehemently opposed to the trinity in his day, as the church had come out from the papal error, but what would he say today, when the church has gone back to a trinity doctrine which is acceptable to the anti-Christ? I fail to see how you can gain any comfort or support for accepting the trinity doctrine, from James White.

Bruce Thompson said...

Thanks Geoff, so you are saying that as they "worked together in unity", they saw the doctrine of the trinity from exactly the same standpoint. Fair enough!

Because after reading James' writing on this subject, I'm increasingly coming around to his view of the trinity doctrine (with one exception).

Geoff, I would love to work with you and I'd love to work with James. Now wouldn't that be fun!

It is a real pity you have been treated so shabbily by the church. I am genuinely sorry.

Bruce Thompson said...

Geoff, the other Catholic doctrines he listed are: sprinkling (baptism), consciousness of the dead, eternal hell, Sunday keeping and natural immortality.

I think the church in James' day "had come out from the papal error" on these points too. Yet he wrote quite a bit on these topics, didn't he? Why did he write less on the trinity?

I do not gain any support for accepting the trinity doctrine from James.